Jaws

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Watching. We were watching behind the Bastards, and they were talking about the Bastards behind reality tv. And all I could think about was Vanilla Ice on the Surreal Life. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Vanilla Ice. [00:00:13] Speaker A: Remember Vanilla Ice? He's almost as scary as a shark from Jaws. Listen, welcome to. Welcome to Demon Toast, the podcast of Death Wish Poetry magazine. We cover gothic and horrific literature. We're not doing anything gothic today, but, you know, I'm your host, King Loki. Fun. Well, yeah, I'm your host, King Loki. I'm the editor of Del Poetry magazine, and, well, this is our show. With me are my co hosts, Marissa, Erica and Mike. Poets, artists, and generally pretty rad people and good friends. We're here to talk about Jaws, the immortal Steven Spielberg classic. I think it might have been his. It was not his first movie. That was a duel, I believe. But, yeah, it is Summer, and we're all thinking about the beach. I've got Chomper here, you know, my little toy shark. If you're watching this on YouTube, you could see me play with my toys. I also have Sky Bite. He's a Decepticon shark that is also a poet. [00:01:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:17] Speaker A: No explanation needed. [00:01:20] Speaker C: You love a multifaceted fish. [00:01:24] Speaker A: Yeah, so I. Jaws is incredible. I haven't watched it in years, and I was stricken by how perfect the pacing is. Every scene is engaging and leads into the other one. You know what I mean? There's not any fat in this movie. It introduces its characters with ruthless efficiency, much like a shark feeding, you know? [00:01:45] Speaker D: Mm. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Something else I noticed is that the characters, they're kind. They're kind of archetypal. They, they. They. They're very similar to the characters from Jurassic Park. Did anyone else notice that? Like, you got your. Your Muldoon in Quinn, you got Chief Brody, who's a lot like Grant, and then you got, you know, your expert who's. He's not as cynical as Malcolm, but he fills the same role for the most part, and creating tension and doling out information, you know, very Creighton way. Right? [00:02:22] Speaker D: I was saying before he came back on air that Luca, sadly cannot join us today, but I'll do my best to channel some of his unhingedness on his behalf. [00:02:31] Speaker A: Yeah, someone's got to do it, you know? Enough. You know? [00:02:35] Speaker D: Yeah. So I only watched Jaws for the first time maybe less than five years ago. I hadn't seen it growing up. I think I remember seeing, like, a clip from Jaws 2 or 3, like, on TV at my grandfather's house, because he just had it on or something. I was like, oh, okay. That doesn't make me want to go to the beach. But like. Like you're saying it. It's actually holds up, like, obviously the practical effects, you can. You know, it still looks kind of like. Yeah, but like, all things considered, like, it's not bad. It's. It's. It's a very interesting time in that regard. And I think it's more or less common knowledge that the shark, which we confirmed was nicknamed Bruce after Spielberg's lawyer. [00:03:30] Speaker A: Yes, very true. [00:03:31] Speaker B: Spielberg's lawyer. [00:03:32] Speaker D: I feel like there's commentary on that too. [00:03:34] Speaker A: Or it didn't work half the time. Like, I know George Lucas was on set fucking around because they were, you know, they're best friends, and Lucas is like, wow, this is great. He sticks his head in the. In Bruce's mouth and they couldn't get it to open. [00:03:48] Speaker B: Yep. I was telling them that when I was a child, because Massachusetts, home of the. Where Jaws was filmed, they always did a bunch of different Jaws stuff. We had Boston Science Museum did a thing about how it didn't work and how they did manage to get it to work. And we actually got to see it, like, hanging up feels pretty. [00:04:13] Speaker A: By the way, you're from New Bedford, right? That's where Melville is from. Did you know that? [00:04:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, unfortunately, I'm very well aware. Walk down any downtown city street and you will see at least six signs that say whale, Moby Dick, Melville. It's everywhere. [00:04:33] Speaker A: I was very disappointed because I haven't seen this in a few years, and I was, like, remembering the movie, and I'm like, they chased Jaws for three days, just like Moby Dick, but they actually don't. It's only two days. [00:04:45] Speaker B: Nope, it's only. It's only two days. But, like, they're out there on that boat for a while. [00:04:49] Speaker A: It's incredible. [00:04:50] Speaker D: There's. And I've also. I didn't watch it over the past few days like I said I would, but, like, I've seen it twice already this summer, so I'm like, it's just like in the roster of movies for the summer. But, you know, obviously with the malfunctioning shark, they couldn't use it as much. But honestly, I think that probably makes it better that, you know, it's more of a, like, looming, ominous presence that you can't really see. And, you know, I think that speaks more to the cinematography, the power of that. I will say the post COVID pandemic. It is real rough to watch this. And the push for, like, well, we gotta keep our Things open or else. Or the town will suffer. What about the tourism or whatever? I'm like, yeah, funny. [00:05:46] Speaker A: Yeah. When you finally see that shark, it's awesome because it's built up so well, you know, I want to say also. So Brody gets kind of obsessed with it. He's the chief of police and he feels responsible for the little boy that died. And he can't stop reading about sharks. And there's this great part where he's looking through a book and has these old illustrations of shark attacks and they're bloody and gruesome. And it made me think about how nowadays they don't even do Google searches on computers. They don't go to libraries anymore. In movies, they don't even do Bing searches like An Amazing Spider Man. They go to Reddit now. Like in an obsession, he goes to Reddit and punches in, is the wishing willow real? And it's like people saying yes. And he just closes the computer. Research done. So in this movie going back to like the 70s, and he's looking at, like a book and he's turning the pages and you see the pictures. It's very evocative in a way that modern movies kind of lost. You know, like in Bagul, in Sinister, he calls an expert on Sky. Skype, and he's like. And the expert's like, oh, wait, you got a Bagul. Oh, okay. It's not creepy. There's no build up. It's not interesting, you know? [00:06:56] Speaker B: Right. I did notice specifically with the scene with the little boy where he gets grabbed off the. The float. You see him get pulled off the float, Right. But then the float washes up on shore all torn apart. When it, like, yeah, popped out from under him in the beginning, I was [00:07:14] Speaker A: like, wait, are you saying that. Dude, Steven Spielberg is a hack. We should have seen Disclosure Day coming from a mile away, man. What a fraud. Nah, that's. That's a fun continuity error. I like that. That's cute. [00:07:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I. I noticed it and I was like, wait a second, I never noticed this before. This. Watch. [00:07:38] Speaker D: It is funny, though. Like coming from or living in New Hampshire, you know, I'm familiar with the, you know, mass accent and whatnot, but it's very inconsistent throughout the movie. But, like, when it comes up, they, like, lean into it hard. Like that poor schmuck who gets eaten in the. What they call the pond. It's like, hey, fellas, pull it in. There's a shark about or something. [00:08:06] Speaker A: I love the guy who feeds the pot roast to the shark and he's like, yeah, it's my w. Wife's pot roast. I called that the pot roast kill. [00:08:13] Speaker D: I was like, your wife is going to kill you too. You just. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Well, I guess he doesn't die. He gets. He gets away. [00:08:18] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:08:19] Speaker A: But the pot roast is. Is sadly lost. It's very sad. [00:08:22] Speaker D: Yeah, it is. [00:08:23] Speaker C: We don't see him after that, though, so there's a good chance his wife did get him over that roast shark. [00:08:30] Speaker D: It is funny just to see the dock just turn back around or, like, following him, though. [00:08:36] Speaker A: Wonderful. [00:08:37] Speaker D: It wasn't the shark. It was the doc that got me. [00:08:39] Speaker A: I mean, it was the ghost of the duck. So speaking of the shark not being in the movie very much, there's this awesome Robot Chicken bit where Spielberg is like, yeah, CGI technology has allowed us to really get into the character of the shark as we really Jaws the special edition. And you see them shoot like a harpoon at the shark and he's like, you missed me. There's bags. He's like running around on the beach with a chainsaw. And then you see that scene where they're like, they're having the town meeting on how to. What to do about the shark. [00:09:05] Speaker B: And. [00:09:06] Speaker A: And you see the shark in like a wig going like. I say we let him go. I'll run a short clip of it here. $10,000 for me by myself. [00:09:17] Speaker B: For that. [00:09:17] Speaker A: You get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing. I say we let him go. Get out of the water. [00:09:25] Speaker D: Jaws, the special edition, features over 100 altered scenes. There he is. [00:09:30] Speaker A: Cheap. Throw it, throw it. You'll actually get a feel for the shark's personality. [00:09:34] Speaker D: You missed me, you dried up douchebags. [00:09:38] Speaker A: My tibia. Make it fun of Lucas. Of course, with the Star wars, [00:09:45] Speaker D: there's. Yeah, again, that town meeting, especially after. I think it's after they find the girl's body. That's when it's all. They're like, well, we can't possibly close the beaches for 24 hours. That's like, it feels like a month or. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Yeah, it's such a classic plot that I've seen it used else. Like Widow's Bay recently was very similar because, you know, they're desperate. They want to be the new Cape Cod or whatever. And there's a horrible Cthulhu curse and the mayor's like, ah, oh, well, who cares? [00:10:23] Speaker B: But also at that time point, it was real, though, like, especially for an island. Like, you're a little tiny island in the middle of the ocean. People don't want to go there when it's cold. [00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Unlike Jaws, where it's this, like, beautiful. Beautiful. I like that. It's called Amity. I kept thinking of the Amityville horror, which was another 70s, I know. [00:10:48] Speaker D: Yes, yes. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know why they didn't just make it actual Martha's Vineyard. But then I was also like, it's probably because people might think it's real. [00:10:57] Speaker A: It's not just that it's a novel, you know, and they were adapting the novel. [00:11:01] Speaker B: The. [00:11:02] Speaker A: The novel writer was already pissed off about this movie because they changed his. His. His ending, which sounds kind of lame, honestly. [00:11:09] Speaker D: From what I've heard, the novel also had some weird, like, oh, my God, why can't I think of the shark guy's name? [00:11:18] Speaker B: Quinn. Yes. [00:11:21] Speaker D: Not quite that. [00:11:22] Speaker A: Oh, Hooper. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:26] Speaker D: Having an affair with Brody's wife and the man. That's why he's keeping it open. He's gotta, like, It's. [00:11:35] Speaker C: That's crazy. [00:11:36] Speaker A: It ruins the character. [00:11:38] Speaker D: Exactly. I'm like, no, not bad about that. Not making you in the movie. [00:11:43] Speaker C: Right. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Get out of here with that. He's awesome. He's so wholesome and silly. [00:11:48] Speaker D: Also speaking as New Hampshire. Right. The scene where they're like, oh, we're gonna go hunt the shark. Just all these bozos out on their boats. I'm like, yeah, I can. I can picture that. [00:11:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that. [00:11:58] Speaker D: Dropping straight up like sticks of dynamite. There's like a random dog just on the prowl, like one of the good ones out there. What are we doing, by the way? [00:12:09] Speaker A: I've transformed Sky Bite. As you can see, his tail is like a cannon or something. There's the shark head. [00:12:15] Speaker C: That's neat. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Yes. But, yeah, it's funny. The Decepticons are like, yeah, he turns into a shark and he. [00:12:24] Speaker C: He. [00:12:24] Speaker A: He talks and his words all rhyme. I don't know what his problem is. He's so weird. [00:12:30] Speaker D: So he's like the Etrigan of. [00:12:32] Speaker B: And he's got a dump truck. Yeah. [00:12:34] Speaker A: He's like Etrigan. He's very sexy. Many Transformers are pretty hot, not gonna lie. You know, it's also a homo normative society, which is pretty. Because they're all. They're mostly just males and they have romantic relationships with each other. [00:12:50] Speaker C: We love gay robots. More gay robots. [00:12:57] Speaker A: I'm just kidding. [00:12:59] Speaker D: I have to say, I think one of my favorite, like, friendships in this movie, though, is straight up Hooper and Brody, like, like, immediately. Brody's been having the worst time with all this shark Business. This privileged college guy shows up just like, you know, I'm a weirdo. I love my sharks. Like, the dinner scene, and then it's like, yeah, we're gonna get drunk and then cut open a shark is amazing. [00:13:27] Speaker A: That's classic Spielberg. Erica, you were talking earlier about when he shows up, and he just takes. He's like, is anyone eating this? He takes and just starts eating it. [00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:38] Speaker C: Just so out of pocket. That was definitely the moment I was like, this is my favorite character. I like whatever is wrong with him. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Spielberg is amazing at that stuff. Like, Indiana Jones 4 is terrible, but there's that incredible scene in the diner where, like, you know, steals a beer, and then while they're talking, Harrison Ford puts it back. Like, he's so good at those little character interactions, even at his worst, you know? [00:14:04] Speaker C: Yeah. If someone brings up Shia LaBeouf, all I can think of is actual cannibal Shia LaBeouf. [00:14:12] Speaker A: I think about when he put up, like, some. Some. Some Black Lives Matter flag or something, and 4chan found it, and there was just a live stream of them taking it down and putting up the peepee, the frog flag. [00:14:23] Speaker B: Like, not surprised. [00:14:26] Speaker D: Weird time. I. I do also love that Brody's like, oh, we've got the whiny. It's like that scene from Clue is like, do you want to drink it? Just kind of pours it all around. [00:14:34] Speaker A: Except he's like, oh, you gotta let that breathe. All right. [00:14:36] Speaker D: He's like a full glass. He's like, all right. [00:14:40] Speaker A: You know, the thing about Brody. [00:14:41] Speaker B: Two guys. [00:14:42] Speaker A: The thing about Brody and Quinn is that in Hooper is that Hooper's the only one who takes the shark thing seriously. Mayor doesn't give a. Like, nobody ever. You have all these bozos out there trying to find it. And Quinn is like, yeah, Quinn. Hooper is like, yeah, this is, like, dangerous. Like, this is probably a great way. Like, look at the bite radius, you know? Like, there's that scene where. Where a bunch of idiots catch a shark, and they're like, yeah, we got it, son. You know? And everyone's like, yay. And Hooper's like, they're measuring the mouth. [00:15:16] Speaker B: Yep. They're just like, can you. Can you get out of the picture? Can you. [00:15:19] Speaker A: You're in the way, young man or boy? It's like, yeah, yeah, that's. [00:15:24] Speaker D: That's a man eater. Do you try putting your head inside there or whatever? Right? [00:15:28] Speaker B: He's just got, like, his whole head in there, and he's like. [00:15:32] Speaker D: And I. I will say it is. It's Are we in agreement that Brody didn't deserve all the. That he got, though? Especially from [00:15:41] Speaker C: mom. [00:15:42] Speaker D: The mom? [00:15:42] Speaker A: Yeah, the mom. [00:15:43] Speaker D: You kept the beaches open, even though it's like that wasn't his call. [00:15:47] Speaker A: He was trying. [00:15:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:15:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:50] Speaker C: In that same vein, is it out of pocket for me to say that Quint deserved what he got? Low key. [00:15:59] Speaker D: My favorite. [00:16:01] Speaker C: A lot of what happened on that boat was pretty avoidable, especially with him redlining it. He burnt that out. [00:16:09] Speaker A: He's like Ahab. He's like Ahab. He's just determined and he doesn't care. He would. There's that incredible line in Moby Dick where, like, I forget which guy it might have been. Starbuck. He's like, captain, you're gonna take us all to the bottom of the sea. And that's. That's what Quint. He's like. Yeah. [00:16:25] Speaker B: He. [00:16:25] Speaker A: You literally see the engine overheating and smoke coming out. He kills the boat. [00:16:30] Speaker B: Practically sinking. Yeah. [00:16:32] Speaker D: He breaks the radio like the. The only thing that was crazy. [00:16:36] Speaker A: I forgot about that scene. He's trying to call a co Star key. [00:16:40] Speaker C: Waiting for Brody to just take that baton right on his forehead. Not hard, just. Why would you do that? [00:16:48] Speaker B: See, the first time I saw it, I thought he might whack Brody upside the head with the bat. But then they just had the weird standoff and I was like, okay, all right. Nobody dies. But like, obviously it's a horror movie, right? So I'm like, somebody's gonna die. Anything is possible. [00:17:02] Speaker D: I. If I wanted Brody to hit anyone, I was really hoping it was going to be the mayor after that. [00:17:07] Speaker A: Well, he was a fatal attack. [00:17:08] Speaker D: When he's going like, yeah, you know, like, we could make it work in August. And he's mumbling. He's like, yeah, my kids were on that beach too. Is like you. [00:17:16] Speaker A: He's exactly like Hammond. Like, he's so pathetic. Well, no, no, I'm sorry. Hammond's in the movie. Is a nice guy. I'm thinking of. Hammond's in the book. From dress. [00:17:26] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:17:26] Speaker A: Hammond in the book. He's a monster. They're like, they're like, sir, your grandkids are out there. He's like, I don't give a fuck. That T. Rex is a 12 million dollar animal. It's very valuable. [00:17:34] Speaker D: Like, you know, another, like, capitalist nightmare I was just watching was aliens. The. Yeah. So it's again, the. The theme just continues on and on in space. [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:47] Speaker D: The only thing worse than a xenomorph is capitalism. [00:17:52] Speaker A: Yeah. That's the thing about movies from the 70s, they are unrepentant. They have gore effects that like you don't get in like the 80s, you know, like 70s movies. [00:18:05] Speaker C: I was hoping to see a little more of like the aftermath of some of the shark attacks because the graphics were so well done. I loved the practical effects, like seeing the torn up arms and stuff. Show me that body half. I want to see the half of a body too. [00:18:25] Speaker A: See, the thing is, is that like I feel like less is more sometimes. Like when, when, when they find the girl. And like it's just a mass of seaweed and guts and one still lifeless hand sticking out. That's a. That's creepy. That's upsetting. [00:18:41] Speaker D: It's like, no. [00:18:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I think that was great. But having her on the autopsy table, I think I would have liked a clearer shot. [00:18:50] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:18:51] Speaker A: Can't really disagree. But I mean, you know, we're coming off of like decades of like. [00:18:56] Speaker D: I mean, so there's two things that I think Marissa was talking earlier about how like, I can't believe I thought this was scary. There are two things that still give me a jump scare. It's with Hooper diving down in to see the boat at night and the head pops out. It just lingered there for a moment. [00:19:15] Speaker B: I was like, that was the only scene that gets me every time. And that scene did get me when Lloyd and I rewatched this because I jumped and he went, did you just get scared? The second scene. [00:19:33] Speaker D: And it's not. It's not even so much a jump scare anymore because now I expect it. But just when we finally truly see Bruce for the first time and it's like, ah, why don't you come down and jump me? Just see the shark and just the. [00:19:45] Speaker B: Yep, [00:19:48] Speaker A: yeah, yeah. Because like Brody gets too close to the water and it comes out and almost bites his head off. And he's like. And it's great. [00:19:55] Speaker D: God love Hooper. Just being like, Brody, get out on the. Get out there. It's like, I need you in the shop. [00:20:01] Speaker C: Why? [00:20:01] Speaker D: It's like I need you for, for size reference or whatever he says. He's like, y. [00:20:09] Speaker B: I don't wanna. I mean, would you. [00:20:12] Speaker D: It's only an island if you look at it from the water. [00:20:17] Speaker A: Let's see. [00:20:17] Speaker B: Fair enough. [00:20:18] Speaker A: I think there's five kills, right? Oh no, there's six. Well, I guess he gets, he gets quin. [00:20:24] Speaker B: Does the dog count? Because we don't see the dog die. But they definitely. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Is the dog in play? [00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah, because the dog's in the water and the Little kid's throwing the stick and then he starts calling for the dog. And then that's what we cut to. The kid on the yellow floaty. So, like, they don't show. The dog die, but the dog is gone. [00:20:45] Speaker A: I hate Bruce now. [00:20:46] Speaker D: What a. I will say one scene, like we were saying, Quinta kind of got what was coming to him very Ahab style. The one scene where my like for Hooper and my dislike for Quint switch places is after they initially lose Bruce, I think, or. Or they think they've got him and Hooper's being like, ah, it's definitely not a shark. It's a. You know, probably a marlin or something. He smashes back and it's like, yeah, don't tell me. What I know is, like, it doesn't prove anything. Well, it does prove one thing. You college boys don't know when to admit you're wrong or something like that. [00:21:30] Speaker A: You don't know enough to. Yeah, exactly. [00:21:32] Speaker D: But then just we're doing the, like, faces behind him, like. [00:21:35] Speaker A: Well, because he's like. Like it. It tore this, like, heavy duty industrial piano wire. And he's like, that doesn't prove a damn thing. And I'm like, what do you think of his Godzilla? Like, talking about, bro. Like, that would have. [00:21:48] Speaker C: Loch Ness Monster. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it's Nessie. It's Nessie. The harmless Loch Ness monster, you know? [00:21:52] Speaker D: Like, I feel like I need to say just again, in absentia for Luca. If Luca was here, I'm sure he'd be talking about how Hooper and Quint were secretly just pounding away and Brody was totally unaware of their definitely forbidden love happening on the boat. [00:22:14] Speaker C: Enemies to lovers. Slow burn. [00:22:19] Speaker B: Is it enemies to lovers or is it enemies to lovers? To enemies? Again, that part. [00:22:26] Speaker C: We have to come full circle. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Like. Like, you realize the crazy is attractive and you're into the crazy, but then you realize the crazy is too much and now you got to deal with it. [00:22:38] Speaker D: Another good scene is just the random drinking on the boat and they're comparing scars and. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Well, that's one of the standout scenes for me. Like, I live for that scene every time I watch this movie. And funnily enough. Did anyone see Jurassic World? Whatever the they called the last one. [00:22:55] Speaker D: Rebirth. [00:22:56] Speaker A: Yes. Did anyone see that? [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:58] Speaker D: Again, not good. But, yes, I did. [00:23:00] Speaker A: There was a cringe scene where Marshalla Ali and I don't remember the lady. I get people's faces and names. [00:23:07] Speaker D: Scarlett Johansson. [00:23:09] Speaker A: Was it Scarlett? [00:23:11] Speaker D: Yeah, Scarlett Johansson. [00:23:12] Speaker A: I would have remembered her. Okay, anyway, clearly not Scarlet and Marshall. Ali. Are Sitting there and they're talking. Oh, yeah, I was a mercenary. Here's my, here's my wounds. And she's like, yeah, man, me too. I got one here. And I'm like, what is going on? This is so boring. This is terrible. And then it hit me. They think they're making Jaws. [00:23:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:23:39] Speaker C: The abject horror on your face is great. [00:23:43] Speaker A: I was horrified. I like, like bad, bad writing in these Jurassic World movies, I expect. But like the, the, the hubris. [00:23:51] Speaker C: Like, [00:23:53] Speaker A: you're not even Joe Johnston. You're no one. Making this terrible Jurassic park sequel. [00:24:00] Speaker D: Yeah, that's a whole another can of worms. [00:24:03] Speaker A: Yeah, that's another episode. We can't go into that here. But speaking of Spielberg. Yeah. What did I want to say? Oh, yeah. So I think it's funny that Jaws got like four fucking sequels. Did you guys know that Jaws almost got a spoof movie? They were gonna have all the actors back. It was gonna be called jaws 3 human 0. Gilbert heard about this and he said, you make that motherfucking movie, I am never shooting another movie on your backlot. So I guess Jaws three and four were fine. You know, [00:24:38] Speaker D: like, I. My first thought when you said they made a spoof movie, I was like, almost did. Was it not Piranha? I just assumed Piranha was like just a rip off. [00:24:50] Speaker A: So that was Corman. That movie is legendary now. I prefer Piranha Double D. I would show a scene of it here, but it's too hot for YouTube. Sadly, Danielle Panabaker's in it. I don't think she has double Ds, but she's okay. [00:25:03] Speaker D: You know, I do. Oh, God, I remember [00:25:09] Speaker B: Danielle. That's my teenage years. [00:25:13] Speaker D: Shark movies. The. What we brought for show and tell. [00:25:17] Speaker A: Yeah. I've got Orca. It's the charming story of a man who pulls up a. An orca. And it turns out it's an orca mommy. And he's like hanging it over his boat and he cuts her open and the babies fall out. And you see her, her mate in the water, like watching, like it's crying. But then it vows revenge. Like it flips his boat over later. [00:25:40] Speaker C: It. [00:25:41] Speaker A: It keeps escalating. People are hunting the orca and then the orca takes out the docks that hold up the whole town and it all sinks into the water. It's fucking crazy. I. You know, it. It's called a Jaws knockoff. It was derived from. [00:26:00] Speaker B: Right. They. They absolutely will do all of that stuff too. They're highly. [00:26:06] Speaker D: In the video of. I think I Literally just saw it yesterday of the orca that exploded. A sunfish. [00:26:15] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:15] Speaker D: Yeah. It just, like, rammed it. And then the next thing, there's no sunfish. There's just debris everywhere. You're like. To be fair, sunfish do kind of suck. They are kind of like the punch bag of the ocean. But aren't they so pointless? [00:26:30] Speaker A: Okay, Aren't they so pointless that, like, things take bites out of them and they just keep swimming? [00:26:34] Speaker D: Like, yeah, it's the end. [00:26:37] Speaker C: My spirit animal. [00:26:40] Speaker D: Just keep swimming. [00:26:41] Speaker C: This is fine. [00:26:43] Speaker A: I gotta work. [00:26:44] Speaker B: Video of a dolphin playing ball with a pufferfish. [00:26:49] Speaker D: Oh, yeah. [00:26:49] Speaker C: I was just about to say, if there's not a Jaws knockoff about bottlenose dolphins, I would like for there to be one. Those things are objectively evil, you know? Dolphins are evil. [00:27:03] Speaker A: Yeah. They're cute when you see them swimming on their backs. When you go whale watching, like, I don't know. Listen, I came with all these notes about, like, the horror of the ocean and how, like, the first scene is like, you know that girl skinny dipping in the ocean, and you see her slender body. She's silhouetted, and it's very atmospheric and lovely, and you're like, oh, that boy's gonna jump in. They're gonna have a nice moment, and then you hear the John Williams music, and it's. It just creeps up on you. But we're talking about all these, like, funny things about the ocean, like the sunfish, the mula mola fish, like dolphins and their wacky, evil antics. They are. They are, Yeah. [00:27:43] Speaker D: I mean, if you want to talk about the ocean, like, I think I'm more scared of the ocean than I am of space at this point. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Like, well, there's no blue Ring Doctor in space. [00:27:54] Speaker D: You know, I've consumed enough, like, Jaws and adjacent movies and also Lovecraft to be like, yeah, the ocean is a place I don't want to be. [00:28:03] Speaker A: And whatever the great old ones, they [00:28:06] Speaker D: might be down there, just, no, thanks. [00:28:09] Speaker C: I feel like if we started exploring, the ocean got so far, turn around and said, no, let's go look at space instead. There's something down there that's not great. [00:28:20] Speaker A: Listen, there's something nefarious going on. Listen, our ancestors left the ocean for a reason. Okay? That's all I got to say on that. [00:28:30] Speaker D: Looks like she's got something, though. [00:28:32] Speaker C: I think Cthulhu is napping point. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Like, there is still a lot of ocean exploration and stuff. And, like, I know a very lively fishing economy and all of that stuff. Like, I come from generations of fishermen. That's why I'm here in New Bedford. Like, they love fishing so much that they went across the big ocean from Europe to Canada to here. [00:29:01] Speaker D: Because ocean, don't get me wrong, it is fascinating, but I also have a healthy terror. [00:29:09] Speaker B: I agree, I agree. A couple weeks ago, went through the Bermuda Triangle and I was a little bit nervous. It was fun though. [00:29:20] Speaker A: Just in case you do get stolen by the aliens underwater. [00:29:24] Speaker B: You know, I. I will say, the second that we entered the Bermuda Triangle, all of a sudden the boat we were on started like. So I had this moment of like, oh boy. [00:29:36] Speaker A: Oh no, it's happening. Oh, well. [00:29:38] Speaker C: But also, now that I'm older, the Bermuda Triangle is significantly less of an issue than I thought it would be when I was like nine. And that's kind of disappointing, honestly. [00:29:50] Speaker B: Well, that's another ocean based that we're told as kids. [00:29:55] Speaker A: It's like the day I realized the Loch Ness monster was probably not real because there would need to be a breeding population of elasmosaurs that survived chicks you love and has been down there all these like millennia. And like there's never been a body or anyone. Just like. I guess it's. I guess Nessie isn't down there. Yeah, some of the magic went out of the world. [00:30:16] Speaker D: You know, if I'm showing up to show and tell right now, my. My bad. My bad. Shark movie. Because ADHD and I have trouble making decisions. I've got like two or three. I'm counting the Meg and the Meg 2 as a combo. The Meg 2 is objectively worse. Both are bad. But the second one is objectively worse. Like literally the opening scene is a shark that leaps out at the beach and somehow is able to just snap a T. Rex in half. But it attacks it like it's a crocodile. Like it just kind of comes out and just comes back. I'm like, that's. [00:30:54] Speaker A: Does it roll? [00:30:55] Speaker D: That works? [00:30:55] Speaker A: Does it death roll? [00:30:57] Speaker D: No, it. It's just like the T. Rex throws back and reptile. Then the Meg comes up, bites the T. Rex and just drags them back and like. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, that's like Asylum stuff. That's the, that's the. That's the studio that makes the sharknado. Like, you know, it's. [00:31:16] Speaker D: It's fun. And that. That is precisely what it is. I am just here to see some. [00:31:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:21] Speaker D: Dumb and be ridiculous and have a good time. The other one that came to mind though, and I haven't seen it in a little while. Deep blue sea. [00:31:32] Speaker A: You mean deep Blue. [00:31:34] Speaker D: Is that. Is that what it was? It's the one with Samuel Jackson. [00:31:39] Speaker B: That's Deep Blue Sea. Yeah, it's from 99 or something like that. [00:31:44] Speaker D: Yeah. So, yeah. Have you. Have you guys not seen that one? [00:31:48] Speaker A: I haven't seen it. [00:31:49] Speaker D: Really? I have. [00:31:50] Speaker A: I thought I knew it, but like [00:31:51] Speaker D: I said, it is not good, right? [00:31:53] Speaker A: Like, yeah. [00:31:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:31:55] Speaker D: But, yeah, I think the premise is that it's a company, because it's always a company trying to find research to, like, help cure Alzheimer's. And they're studying sharks, but they did some illegal to, like, boost. Make their brains bigger for the protein. So now they're smart mako sharks and a little bigger. And there's an accident, There's a storm, and basically they're managing to sink the entire, like, station. And they're going through the hallways. I think at one point, one of the sharks winds up in LL Cool J's oven because he's the cook, and they tricks him in there. It's again, ridiculous, but awesome. Oh, Thomas Jane. I think that's the. The main guy. [00:32:41] Speaker A: I was gonna say Tommy Jane because he was in the Punisher. [00:32:45] Speaker D: Yes. That guy. [00:32:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I like him. I like Tommy Jean. Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna watch this movie. That sounds great. You know the funniest thing about the meg? To me, it's not anything in the movie. Well, it is, but it's not anything with the shark, ironically. Thanks, Apollo. He just knocked over, like, my stand. At least he's not unplugging my microphone. Yeah, take a drink. I yelled at Apollo. [00:33:08] Speaker B: That's our new drinking game. Every time he yells at Apollo says, oh, my gosh. And what did I do with that? Yeah, those were, like, our key phrases. [00:33:21] Speaker A: Yeah. It's amazing. I can keep anything running. But no, my favorite part about the MEG is all the Chinese military and corporate stuff. Like, it's just the Chinese government projecting its soft power. And it's very weird because normally it would be, like, an American outpost and the US army. But no, no, we're at a wonderful point where China funds all our movies. And, like, their propaganda is just there. Like, I guess you don't care about communism. [00:33:48] Speaker D: All right, I'm all for, like, the. Like, the capitalism was the villain all along, but, like, the second one has the, like, evil CEO woman just straight up say the lines. Like, you might say, like, oh, we're plundering the ocean for these materials. [00:34:06] Speaker B: And. [00:34:07] Speaker D: And give me this, like, save the ocean crap. But, like, who cares? We'll be rich and whatnot. I'M like, this is my conspiracy theory. So the first Meg movie, you had Jason Statham and the woman as, like, the main couple romantic interest. And then the second movie, she's died, I guess. And now we've got the, like, the brother or the uncle, whatever, he's doing his own thing as Jason Statham. And the two of them kind of like doing shenanigans with the girl running around being like, you guys are idiots, but I love you. And I was just wondering, because I haven't read the books, but I'm like, I was wondering Hollywood go like, well, gay dads are in. Gay adoptive dads, maybe let's make them a thing. We'll get rid of the other one. We don't either. Or maybe she went off to do better projects than the MEG2. But playing into the algorithm, I don't know. It. It was a choice. Was a choice. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Did not see that one. I'm sure it's a. Is it as boring as the first one? Because that movie is like a slog to get through. It's fucking terrible. That's about the same, like, you kind [00:35:23] Speaker D: of get into it, like, almost immediately. [00:35:25] Speaker A: So, like, okay, okay, that's good. Yeah, because they waste so much time, like, trying. It's like, this is not a real movie. Knock it off. Stop that. No plot. Shut up. [00:35:34] Speaker D: Yeah, they've already established the world building, so they just kind of like jump into it. But now we even have, like, a good guy Meg because we've got, like, one that was found as a pup and raised by the uncle. It's like, no, I've got our train. See, we've got a. Yeah, it's. It's the ongoing argument. Not trained. [00:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, they try to make him Godzilla where, you know, he can. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Well, maybe they were going for, like, quest vibes. [00:36:01] Speaker C: Domesticate the evil fish. [00:36:05] Speaker A: That's not a bad idea. I kind of like that. [00:36:07] Speaker D: But, you know, anyway, that. That's my show and tell. Please, somebody else step up with their own. [00:36:14] Speaker A: Yeah, who's got. Who's got a cool shark movie? [00:36:17] Speaker C: So, Dan, I would like your two cents on this because like I had said earlier, I don't have another, like, objectively terrible shark movie in comparison. Right. But while you were gone, I had mentioned to the other two that for reasons beyond me, because I haven't seen this movie either. Jaws and Snakes on a Plane give me the same vibe. [00:36:43] Speaker A: There is kind of a buildup, but it doesn't have the same, like, oh, nothing's going on. [00:36:47] Speaker C: You know, it just. It's the energy. I don't know. Jaws made me laugh throughout all of it, basically because this was my first time watching it. [00:36:59] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:37:00] Speaker C: So the theme music, as soon as we saw old fishy boy pop up, immediate giggles. Immediate giggles. Because it has been memeified in my brain for far too long. So I guess they just exist on similar levels of oh, this is just ridiculous and doesn't make sense. [00:37:18] Speaker A: That is so weird. Yeah, this is a generational thing because like Jaws, I take dead serious. I love Jaws. You know, Snakes on a Plane, I didn't make it through. It was like one of those fake bad movies, you know, it's like cocaine. [00:37:30] Speaker B: But it could also be because she waited till adulthood. [00:37:35] Speaker A: I, I get. [00:37:36] Speaker B: Because as a child Jaws was absolutely freaking terrifying. [00:37:42] Speaker C: Like did attempt to read the book when I was like 10. [00:37:46] Speaker B: See my very first time ever seeing Jaws, I was very young. I think I was like 9 or 10. And we had a community pool and you sat in the community pool and these little floaties and they had the big like the inflatable projector screen and we watched it on the projector screen in the pool. So it was terrifying because you're in the water, it's at night, it's dark. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Watching this shark movie. [00:38:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, and it's like, oh my God, I'm in the water. But like we were in a pool. So logically I know there's no sharks. But now modern day you can go over to Martha's Vineyard every July and watch it in the actual place that they film. [00:38:29] Speaker A: That's awesome. Wait, so did they not film, did they not use a tank? [00:38:36] Speaker B: I don't know if they used a tank occasionally, but they were actually filming like in the water over. Go there. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Also like those wide shots of the beach and stuff, you know. [00:38:46] Speaker B: Yeah, all of that was actually filmed there. All of the locations were actual locations. If you go to Martha's Vineyard, they actually have a cell phone app, like self guided tour. And then they have Jaws specific tours that you can like sign up and go take. And they like bring you around the island and tell you all kinds of stuff about the Jaws filming and the locations. And like, you know, if you're a Jaws nerd, go to Martha's Vineyard at least once. July is really the month to go because it's that pre Shark week, like [00:39:19] Speaker A: Jaws anniversaries, you know, so that's cool. But I'm wondering this. So I wrote down Lake Placid. Like Lake Placid attempts a similar thing with A crocodile with like special effects. Like, you know, like a live action shot involved. Live action. A robot. A robot crocodile. Pretty good character, similar archetypes, similar story. Is there anything else that does this effectively? Like I mentioned Widow's Bay, which I think is like an Apple plus show. It's really good. It's a gothic horror show with the similar thing. It's kind of like Parks and Rec, but with like a curse on an island. It's really good. There's ghosts and Michael Myers Killer. It's pretty wild, which I've added it [00:40:03] Speaker B: to my watch list. [00:40:04] Speaker A: Widows Bay. [00:40:06] Speaker D: So I don't have Apple tv, but I've been hearing so many good things about Widow's Bay that I and somebody, I think you had mentioned Lovecraft too. So I'm like, I am all here for this. I want to watch this. I've heard great things. [00:40:19] Speaker A: Yeah, there's some real crazy swings in that show. But like, is there anything else like that that did the job? Because like a lot of these sharks. So like, sharks and snakes are very easy to animate cheaply with cgi. It's just a fucking tube body and a mouth that moves like, you know, that's why you Sharknado, you get fucking Sharktopus. Five headed shark attack. Six headed shark attack. Mega shark versus Megalopolis. Like, you know, mega shark versus Octagon. [00:40:48] Speaker B: Sharks, spiders, you know, dolphins, orcas, they're all. [00:40:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Like there's a movie called Shark Exorcist which is actually just a weird pervert who made it who wanted to shoot girls in bikinis. Like, yeah, there's like a devil shark. Like it's. [00:41:03] Speaker B: They missed an opportunity. It could have been sharks or cis. [00:41:08] Speaker A: I agree. But like, I'm just saying, like it is kind of a meme genre. But are there any great shark movies besides, like There's Shark Attack 2. I guess it's all right. [00:41:17] Speaker B: So like, I don't know that I'd call it a great shark movie, but I had mentioned Dangerous Animals earlier, which I found to be a very enjoyable shark horror horror movie. It centers around a shark obsessed serial killer that likes to kidnap people, take them out into the ocean and then feed them to sharks. [00:41:41] Speaker A: That's awesome. [00:41:42] Speaker B: It's very fun. Like there is a lot of high suspense, a lot of drama. He like has the scene where like he cuts her leg so that she's bloody, so when he throws her in the water, the blood will attract the shark. It's definitely worth a watch. I don't know that I would Call it the best shark movie, but I wouldn't ever call it a bad shark movie. [00:42:06] Speaker A: I mean, it's Jaws, isn't it? Like, what could possibly dethrone the great Jaws, right? Well, there's Jaws 4. I love that movie. It's. It's probably the best Jaws movie, you know? [00:42:18] Speaker D: Is that the one with Michael Caine? [00:42:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it's the one with Michael Caine. And the fucking shark comes out of the water and it roars. And you could see the edge of the tank where they're filming. Like, it's. It's really good. And then, like, you randomly see that. That scene from the first movie where Brody's like, smile, you son of a. And it's like in black and white, and then the shark just explodes. [00:42:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:40] Speaker D: So something I think has given me more appreciation for the movie, and I think I might have heard the song before the movie was Ice 9 Kills. [00:42:48] Speaker A: Ice 9 Kills. [00:42:49] Speaker D: Rocking the boat. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Rock the boat. That's it. It opens up with them screaming. [00:42:53] Speaker B: Shar. [00:42:54] Speaker D: I think my wife and I actually have it on our summer playlist because it's like all this fun pop music, and then we've got Rocking the Boat with the, like. [00:43:03] Speaker A: It's one of the best ones on that album. [00:43:05] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:43:06] Speaker D: I. I think I've seen. I've seen Ice 9 kills a couple times live now, and I think they've done the, like, left shark or something. Like the full, like, outfit to someone on stage and a shark dark outfit. [00:43:17] Speaker A: Well, that's amazing. I need to see them. [00:43:20] Speaker D: I do also have to shout out Luca again, because the other night he was hosting our local open mic, but he got to be in charge of the music. So his walk up music was the Jaws music. And if people were getting too close on their allotted time, they'd just start playing music and he'd be, like, inching closer and closer to the microphone. [00:43:43] Speaker A: It's Luca. He's gonna get you. [00:43:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:45] Speaker B: It's summer. You got to capitalize on that. [00:43:47] Speaker D: Yeah. So much fun. [00:43:48] Speaker C: That's so funny. I love that. [00:43:52] Speaker D: So I. I think we're all aware, though, the. The irony of. Again, the. No. The novelist creating Jaws and then spending the rest of his life trying to undo the damage that this has done to sharks in general. [00:44:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:44:11] Speaker D: Which is. Is fascinating. I guess that's kind of like how we get, like, Shark Week and all that stuff now too, is. Yeah. Like, when you think of, like, a scary underwater creature, the first thing that comes to mind typically is a shark. Specifically a great white shark. [00:44:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:44:30] Speaker D: And it's just like fascinating to kind of see that it is a stereotype. [00:44:35] Speaker A: Like, I think my. I think Chomper here is like great white. Like this is just a random shark generic shark toy. Like it's in the public imagination. I, I think sharks are kind of cute, personally. Like that scene where Hooper is digging around in the, in the, the shark's belly and he's pulling out like, you know, fish, a can, a license plate. [00:44:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:59] Speaker A: It reminds me of my cat. [00:45:00] Speaker C: It's just a big dog. [00:45:01] Speaker A: Yeah. It reminds me of my cats. They also just eat everything because they're stupid, you know? [00:45:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:06] Speaker D: Oh, I again, plastic. [00:45:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:45:08] Speaker D: If you, if you had Luca here, he would have so many videos to show of like the. Is it the sand sharks and whatnot? They're just like cuddling up with like a scuba diver. Like, it is really the epitome of just like with all nature based horror that like nine times out of ten, whatever's hunting you doesn't actually want to interact with you at all. [00:45:32] Speaker A: Yeah, like Jaws is. Yeah, Jaws is absurd because the shark starts hunting them at the end. Like it starts attacking the boat. It's chasing them. Like, sharks do not do these things. Sharks are not malicious. [00:45:43] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:44] Speaker B: ORPHCO would be more likely to do that. [00:45:47] Speaker A: Well, yeah, because they can. They hold vendettas. Like they remember, like they are very intelligent. Sharks are. They're sharks, you know. [00:45:54] Speaker B: Right. [00:45:54] Speaker A: It is very. [00:45:55] Speaker B: I think there's a major missed opportunity because the real scary fish would definitely be the deep sea angler fish. Like, man, if those could come to [00:46:06] Speaker A: the surface, if they were big. [00:46:10] Speaker B: I don't know, man. Have you seen a picture of a deep sea anglerfish? [00:46:14] Speaker D: I have. [00:46:15] Speaker A: The one in finding. Finding Nemo is pretty on the nose too. Like that's what they look like. They're fucking horrifying. They're like out of Lovecraft. [00:46:22] Speaker D: I could be mistaken though, because there was a couple years ago that there was an angler fish that did wind up somehow venturing close to the surface and like died almost immediately. But like they're like this big. They're tiny. [00:46:36] Speaker A: Yeah, they're tiny. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:37] Speaker A: Yeah, right. But like, that's what I'm saying. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Piranhas are also terrifying. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:42] Speaker B: But they swim tiny. [00:46:43] Speaker A: They swarm though. They swarm. [00:46:45] Speaker B: I'm just saying they have opportunities for horror writers for future horror movies. [00:46:50] Speaker D: Was it the goblin shark has the like full on like xenomorph looking thing. Like they out show me your goblin just like dressed as goblin sharks? No, if there if there's a sea creature that's a threat, but also at the same time I want to make sure I'm friends with. So when they take over, I'm not on their bad side. Is the encyclopods like octopi and whatnot? [00:47:18] Speaker B: Well, luckily, too many arms to around. [00:47:20] Speaker A: They only live like three years. So it's really easy to just get in there like, hey man, how's it going? You know what I mean? Like they're not, they don't have like lifetime of experiences, you know, So I [00:47:29] Speaker D: didn't even know that. That makes me a little sad, actually. [00:47:32] Speaker A: It's really sad. Yeah. The only reason they have no culture is because they die so quickly they can't pass any information down to their babies. So each octopus has to start out they haven't even entered the Stone Age for that reason. You know, they don't write anything down. [00:47:48] Speaker D: Okay, interesting. [00:47:50] Speaker A: Two to three years. It's so sad. There's a book called the Mountain in the Sea, which is about a six foot species of octopus. It's a novel, but basically they live a little longer and they have a written language and they start using sharp shells to kill people that come too close, like underwater and stuff. And it's really good because the biologist is trying to like figure out what's doing that and she finds their, some of their writing and she deciphers the symbols because she's a cryptologist or something, a cryptographer. And she's leaving messages and they start leaving messages back that say go away. But it's really cool how they start using tools and they are in the Stone Age. That's like the point. It's like, wow, we've met our first alien species and it's on Earth and it's an octopus. Because they're pretty fucking smart. There's one at the, the local Philly zoo. Well, they probably change them out, but you know, for years they've had this octopus display and the octopi that live there get to play with a boat, a little toy boat. It's really cool. [00:48:57] Speaker D: Yeah, what I was just thinking, bringing back to Jaws is again looking at the like science of it. I'm, I could be mistaken, but most of the method of shark attack is like the whole like dive down and then just like shoot back up. [00:49:13] Speaker A: It's incredible. [00:49:14] Speaker D: Can you imagine? [00:49:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:16] Speaker D: Instead of like pulling down the little boy like they did, they just freaking rocket the boy up into the air. Just like come back down. [00:49:24] Speaker A: That would have been just a fountain of evil blood. Like, everywhere. [00:49:30] Speaker D: Just seeing a kid, like a ragdoll, like. [00:49:34] Speaker A: So do you feel like. Like, in Moby Dick, there's a part, like, towards the end where, like, Ahab is screaming at him, and Moby Dick just rolls over and that guy they lost on day one is just tied to his belly. Like, do you feel like. Like, at the end when. When. When Bruce is, like, tearing the boat apart, he's like, yeah, you feel like that's the same kind of thing. [00:49:54] Speaker B: Like, it's the goal. [00:49:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, because he gets Quinn, which is, like, raw. That's right. Like, I hate that scene. Yeah, it's great, but it's sad to me. It's like, oh, see, I don't know, dude, who gets by the raptor, you know? Clever girl. [00:50:11] Speaker B: I was more like, finally. I can finally. [00:50:17] Speaker D: I feel like. Yeah, I. I feel a little bad just because, obviously, like, the, like, po. PTSD of, like, yeah, I saw all my buddies die in the Indianapolis incident. [00:50:37] Speaker A: That's a chilling story. [00:50:38] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:50:39] Speaker D: Yeah, that's exactly. I. I remember listening to a podcast that did talk about that incident. So I'd have to go back and, like, compare the, like, details to see how accurate it is, but on the surface, I think it is relatively accurate. [00:50:57] Speaker A: Well, any inaccuracies are his memory because it happened so long ago, you know? [00:51:03] Speaker D: Okay, that's. I think that would be a decent. [00:51:06] Speaker A: That's how I look at it. Like, I didn't bother looking into it because he's clearly an old man, and this was a traumatic incident, and he might have built it up, too, you know, because it was so horrifying and memories are imperfect at the best of times. [00:51:17] Speaker D: Right. [00:51:18] Speaker A: But yeah. I wonder if Spielberg did, like, just copy the details. I mean, I was gonna say from a Wikipedia page, but that did exist in the. The seventies. [00:51:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:26] Speaker A: Yeah. Nope. [00:51:28] Speaker B: But it might have found a newspaper article. [00:51:30] Speaker A: Remember books? Remember that? [00:51:34] Speaker B: I got so many books today. [00:51:37] Speaker A: I have a couple behind me and below here. And yeah, I, I, I have. [00:51:43] Speaker B: I have my big stack that I just got today. [00:51:47] Speaker A: I'm trying to. [00:51:48] Speaker D: I think it might have been. [00:51:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:50] Speaker D: Last summer, I made the mistake of, like, I went into bars and Noble and blacked out because, like, you know, they've got those deals when you first walk in, and it was all these different, like, mythology anthologies that it's like, oh, get this for, like, buy one, get one free or something. I'm. Oh, cool. Then I blacked out, and I had, like, seven or eight of them, and I'm like, well, these can go in my classroom, somebody's gonna get. Make use of them, I guess. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Dory of my life. [00:52:20] Speaker C: This. [00:52:21] Speaker B: This was my. My best friend works in an academic library, and they were getting rid of excess mythology materials. She was like, do you want some books? And I was like, I trust you entirely. Pick whatever you think I'll like. I also have a book of. I don't know why I didn't think of this when you said octopus scary. Shark scary. I have a book of Caribbean folklore. [00:52:46] Speaker A: Oh, there you go. [00:52:47] Speaker B: That I am currently reading through. And they have something in there called. I'm not sure if it's Lusca or Lusca, but it is a octopus tentacle on the bottom, shark head on the top, creature. [00:53:02] Speaker A: So it's a Sharktopus, basically. [00:53:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's notorious for living in, like, the undersea caves and, like, its tentacles going up and grabbing swimmers and pulling them down to eat them. [00:53:15] Speaker A: You know, I'm just gonna play the trailer for Sharktopus now. [00:53:18] Speaker B: Right, Go for it. [00:53:21] Speaker A: Like, I'm just gonna. [00:53:21] Speaker B: That's probably where they got the idea for Shock Bus from. I mean, now that I found out [00:53:25] Speaker A: that it exists, I think that was Corman's last movie. [00:53:28] Speaker C: Man. [00:53:28] Speaker A: Sad stuff. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Yes. Hey, gotta capitalize on what you got, right? [00:53:33] Speaker A: I. I guess or don't got. [00:53:35] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Good old. Good old Corman. You gotta love him. You know what? You know what my favorite scene is? It's actually when Hooper goes. Well, it's one of my favorite scenes, but when Hooper goes into the cage as a little kid, I was like, oh, this is cool. Like, the shark can't get him, and then the shark proceeds to tear through the cage, which can't actually happen. They're not that strong. But it's a great scene. Like, he drops his harpoon and he's like. He's trying to grab it. And then, yeah, Bruce comes for him and he gets so tangled up and tearing up the thing, tearing up the cage, that he's able to go hide. But that scene is wild because, you know, I've seen that in, like, shark documentaries. I've seen it, like, in other movies, and I've always wanted to do that. But, like, yeah, that scene sticks with me because it's so scary, you know? Erica, were you just amused by this whole movie? [00:54:30] Speaker C: No, I thought that was also a very impactful scene. There were a couple that really stood out to me. I did think it was largely amusing, but I can also appreciate it for what it was. I thought that was a great Scene. I did also really enjoy them drinking on the boat because it was just boys being boys. [00:54:48] Speaker A: Such a good scene. [00:54:50] Speaker C: So good. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Like. [00:54:51] Speaker A: Like, they all kind of, like, even. Even Harper and Harper, Hooper and Quinn, like, kind of bond over some stuff. Because Hooper might be, like, you know, an effete intellectual, right? He might be Spielberg's allotted Jew boy character. That. That's what I call them. I. I'm Jewish. I can say these things. There's always, like, a little Jew. And, like, Hooper was all hairy and, you know, educated. So, you know, I love him, but, like, yeah, he might be that character, but he's out in the water working with fish that bite him and stuff, you know, so he had his own scars, which is really cool. And now no one was able to beat Quinn's horror. Harrowing survival, you know, from World War II. [00:55:32] Speaker D: But. [00:55:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:34] Speaker D: Well, I was thinking with the Hooper in the cage scene, they don't realize that he's gotten out of the cage yet, but they're, like, reeling it up. And you can see Quinn's face. And, you know, it could be just from the strain, but he looks like he's genuinely concerned, going, like, oh, oh, oh. And I'm like, this. This guy that you hated on this entire voyage, this expedition. So I was like, okay. Even if they don't necessarily like each other, there is a certain begrudging respect that everyone, all three of them, have to have by the end of it. By the way, that being said, Quint is. I swear, Quint was just, like, dialing up the, like, obnoxiousness before they got on the boat with, like, all the, like, what. What full pause can I do? How many, like, vaguely misogynistic jokes can I make? And Brody's like, are you gonna be [00:56:36] Speaker A: like this on the boat? He's like, it's my boat, chief. It's my charter. He's like. He's like, listen, you want my boat, we do things my way. But he's just being a total asshole the whole time. [00:56:49] Speaker D: Yeah. Just like Mrs. Brody is watching it all go like, oh, God, I'm trusting my husband in the hands of this guy. [00:56:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Definitely not the old man in the sea, Quinn. He's definitely not that character. He is. Would you call? Would you call? So Moby Dick is classified as a gothic. Broadly, would you classify Jaws as a Gothic? [00:57:16] Speaker B: I think it's too pop culture y for being a goth. I think it has Gothic tones. [00:57:23] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:23] Speaker A: The boat is not so, like, it's funny because, like, the. The Pequod is Like an old mansion. It's. It is a place of horror. And you have your gothic hero in Ahab, who is. He's like account Dracula. He's so nuts, you know, and. And full of, like, hate. [00:57:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:38] Speaker A: I don't think Quinn is the same kind of character. I would. I would have to. [00:57:42] Speaker B: He's not as bad. He's like Ahab light. [00:57:45] Speaker D: If we're making a comparison, I'd almost. And I don't think I can claim credit for this, but I'd say it's almost more like a slasher than it is a gothic. [00:57:55] Speaker B: Yeah, [00:57:57] Speaker D: if we're making that comparison, then, like, Quint is kind of like the Dr. Loomis. [00:58:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, sure. I buy that. That's a good reading. [00:58:07] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think it's quaint how this movie was like one of the many movies that people said this is the death of cinema. Like, because it was so, like, bloody and, like, stupid now. And it's like a revelation and a breath of fresh air because of how bad things are, you know? Like, did you guys see the. The remake of. Well, it wasn't even a remake. It was like a weird half ass sequel of the thing. [00:58:33] Speaker D: Oh. [00:58:34] Speaker A: Not the worst movie, funnily enough. But the effects are terrible, man. They're awesome. [00:58:39] Speaker D: It's like they leaned so much into the CGI that it made. [00:58:42] Speaker A: Makes it don't believe it. Yeah, Decent script, but like, oh, my [00:58:46] Speaker B: God, gonna get worse with AI now. [00:58:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Have. [00:58:51] Speaker D: Haven't you heard? We're gonna have Grock AI rewrite the Odyssey to make it historically accurate and less woke. [00:58:59] Speaker B: How can something that is fiction be historically accurate? [00:59:03] Speaker A: I kind of want to start. I kind of want to start a podcast called I Hate Elon Musk. Or we just talk about the weird he does. [00:59:09] Speaker C: Like, please, let me just clown on that, man. [00:59:12] Speaker A: Well, I heard there's one called I Hate Bill Maher and I'm like, oh, God. It's a whole podcast just talking about what a shitheel Bill Maher is like, [00:59:21] Speaker D: well, so this is where we get to enjoy Jaws and Jurassic Park. Because if in real life we can't see bad things happen to the 1%, at least we can watch it in film over and over and we can [00:59:35] Speaker B: read it in books. [00:59:36] Speaker D: Yeah. Or yes, this is true. [00:59:38] Speaker A: This is true. This is true. If you have not read Jurassic park, we're talking about Spielberg, so it's relevant. Go read it. It's incredible. It's one of the greatest sci fi books of all time. It's Very different from the movie. I. I am still beside myself that they have not done, like, a prestige TV version of the novel. That would be incredible, like, if AMC did it or something like you imagine. [01:00:03] Speaker D: It'll be fascinating to see it, like, because the book for Jurassic park was definitely more like straight up horror. Like, yeah. Especially those opening scenes with the. The raptor. And then I think it might have been the Lost World that had the thing with the compies and the baby's crib or something like that. [01:00:22] Speaker A: Like, that was the second book. Yeah, that's how it opened. [01:00:25] Speaker D: That is straight up horrifying. And you get, like, a little bit of that in those movies. [01:00:29] Speaker A: But, like, Ellie Sadler kills the villain. She shoves him out from under the car because the T. Rex is sniffing around. She's like, pushes him out so she won't get eaten. Like, it's a great. Those books are also. They're about several things. They're about genetic engineering, they're about chaos theory. But they're also. And I'm gonna sound like such a pretentious tool saying this about human nature. They just are. [01:00:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:00:49] Speaker A: They're about greed, they're about revenge, they're about fascination. Like, when Grant first gets there, he's not like, wow, look at the brachiosaurus. He grabs the baby raptor and priests its mouth open and looks down. It's Gizzard. He's like, it's a lot. It's a living dinosaur. Holy. Oh, my God. Dinosaurs. Okay. Count the teeth. Oh, my God. Okay. Oh, yeah. [01:01:11] Speaker D: This. [01:01:11] Speaker A: This theory was right. Like, he's just like. And, like, you know, they have to take the raptor. Like, hey, man, it's a living thing. Leave it alone. [01:01:18] Speaker D: Like, I mean, if he could have, Hooper would also have been doing that same thing in the wall water. Just like, come here, boy. Come on. [01:01:25] Speaker A: That's the crazy thing. I feel like if the movie was made nowadays, Hooper would be like, guy, seriously, we can't kill the shark. We gotta lure it out to the ocean. Guy, seriously, we're not gonna kill the Thark. It's endangered. Like, he's like, straight up, like, yeah, there's only two ways. We kill it, or we close the beach and he goes away. Like, he's very practical. And I like that, too, because, like, you have a manny, you know, like, now's not the time for your environmentalist message to be in the movie. You know, it's a great movie. It's a classic. It's one of Spielberg's greatest movies. And in a career of highs. It is maybe the best one. I think Jurassic park is a better movie. E.T. is incredible, too. It's hard. It's hard with a guy like Spielberg, who's just such an auteur. He's worked for so long and, yeah, he's fallen off lately, but, I mean, the guy's in his 70s, right? I mean, come on, right? George Miller. Not everyone's George Miller. You know, we could just come back and make, like, one of the greatest movies of his career, like, at 70, [01:02:25] Speaker B: so, you know, or older. [01:02:30] Speaker A: We're older, so. [01:02:33] Speaker B: All right. [01:02:33] Speaker A: Anything else to say about Jaws or anything else related to the topic? [01:02:38] Speaker D: I think I'm just curious to see. [01:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:40] Speaker D: You know, what. The legacy continues and kind of like, on a semi serious note, that, like, that we could still continue making films in this genre while at the same time understanding where the fact and the fiction separates and, like, you know, doing our best to protect the sharks and whatnot. Because, like, we've stated, like, they're just living their lives, and nine times out of ten like, it. They're not, like, hunting you. And there's so many stories of, like, a shark that's, like, it took a bite of you and just went. [01:03:14] Speaker A: Sharks predate the pliosaurs. They predate the plesiosaurs. They. They, they. They predate the age of the dinosaurs. They. They survived Chicxulub. They've been here for hundreds of millions of years. And what, they're gonna die out to ot us? They might. That's crazy. [01:03:34] Speaker D: I. I think Luca had made a comment the other day that's like, yeah, you know, they don't even like the taste of humans, so. And then, you know, they hunt them down and kill the shark. So can you imagine, like, you tried to go take a bite for a meal, and you had, like, bad Taco Bell and then you were killed for it. [01:03:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Can you believe. Can you believe, though, that, like, they survived the Chronosaurs and the Mosasaurs and all. All those giant Godzillas that lived back then and. Yeah, good point. They don't even like eating humans, but, like, you know, they take a bite and they're like, oh, this. And, yeah, sad. So my theory of this movie's legacy and Jurassic park has been raped to death. I mean, I think Spielberg lost control that a long time ago, but, like, when he dies, you're gonna see a gold rush. You might. You might not see remakes. Like, I was like, they'll remake ET or something, but, like, you'll see Another Jaws movie. Because, like, I think his legacy and his personality and his wants the only thing keeping people from remaking it. And much like Watchmen, where no one wanted to touch it until DC started opening up the purse, I think people will be excited to do that, you know, I mean, yeah, you know, we're at a point with Jurassic park where like Jurassic Park 3 is pretty damn good now. Like, I, I kind of like it, the horrible schlock I've seen. And like, it's like, oh, wow. Real, real practical effects. Sam Neill. [01:04:57] Speaker B: Don't mind real practical effects. [01:04:59] Speaker A: Oh my. [01:05:00] Speaker B: What are those? [01:05:02] Speaker A: Oh my God. It's a real spinosaurus eye looking in the plane. Like they got a real velociraptor for that embarrassing scene where Grant falls asleep and the raptor goes, alan, [01:05:16] Speaker B: We have enough animatronics at this point. [01:05:19] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, on that note, go watch Jaws. We love it. I mean, you know, if you're listening to this, like, and you're watching on YouTube, I don't know, what's your favorite terrible shark movie, if any. Do you love Jaws four? Oh, before we go, I. I have to quote Michael Caine. He was asked, you know, as a distinguished actor who's been in many incredible award winning movies, he was asked, oh, yeah, by the way, weren't you in like Jaws 4? And he goes, oh, yes, yes, yes, Jaws 4. Yes, yes, the revenge. And the interviewer goes, have you seen it? He's like, no, I have not seen it. I have heard it is dreadful. However, I have seen the house it built and it is fantastic and wonderful. So [01:06:06] Speaker D: that, that is a good take. You know what? I just realized a movie we didn't brought bring up was the one we talked about the other day was the Black Demon or whatever it was. [01:06:16] Speaker A: That's right, I've seen that. Yeah. [01:06:17] Speaker D: Talk about magic shark. The magic evil shark. [01:06:20] Speaker B: Is it a curse? [01:06:21] Speaker D: The oil rig or something? [01:06:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Please watch that movie as well. Watching it, right? [01:06:28] Speaker D: I think it's on prime or 2B or something. [01:06:30] Speaker A: It's on Tubi. It's where we saw it. Everything's on Tubi. You know what isn't on any streaming service? Jurassic park one, Jurassic park two, Jurassic park three. You people. [01:06:42] Speaker D: Yeah. Oh my God. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Peacock or whoever owns the rights. You guys suck and I hate you and I hope you step on attack. Sam, Neil just died. All right? [01:06:53] Speaker B: It's very. [01:06:54] Speaker D: Exactly. Can, can we have like at least put it up for streaming for like a month? [01:07:01] Speaker A: He's in Jurassic World, Dominion. You Want to watch that? Anyway, Anyway. Yeah, that's the Demon Toast podcast. Like and subscribe or I'll eat your soul. You watch this whole thing and don't like and subscribe. Man, you suck. Nah, we love you. We love you. Yeah. Mike, you want to do your pluggies? [01:07:24] Speaker D: Sure. You can catch me on my. On my own podcast called Mike's Millennial Falcon. You can find it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you call it. [01:07:36] Speaker A: It's everywhere. [01:07:37] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah, we actually just released an episode interviewing our local poetry team. And. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. [01:07:50] Speaker A: We. [01:07:50] Speaker D: We have a lot of fun. We did a Jaws episode last year with Luca, and you can hear all of his unhinged wonderfulness about Quint and who. [01:08:01] Speaker A: I'm gonna listen to it. It's Quinn. Yeah, I have to hear that. I'm so mad he's not here. He's so wacky. By the way. Yeah, by the way. Dubai Mike's book, the Porch Light. I love this book. I was reading it recently. That's why I was looking for it. I didn't know where it was. Like, it's. It's great. Like, it's an incredible book about, like, growing up living as, like. Like a sis man and just feeling. It's really, really good. It's existential. It's beautiful. And if you don't read it, you're missing out. Seriously. [01:08:34] Speaker D: Thank you. Thank you for the plug. So, yeah, you can find that somewhere. [01:08:39] Speaker A: It's on Amazon. The Portrait by Mike Linehan link below. What am I saying? [01:08:45] Speaker B: I was just gonna say all the links are always below. [01:08:48] Speaker A: Yeah, I always put them right below. Marissa, you want to do your pluggies or Erica, you want to go next? [01:08:52] Speaker B: Sure. [01:08:52] Speaker A: I don't care who goes next. [01:08:54] Speaker B: Me. [01:08:54] Speaker C: Okay, go ahead. [01:08:56] Speaker B: I do a lot of things. I am a co founder for the Horror Art Film Society and we just released issue two of our Goblin Crypt magazine. We are currently accepting submissions for issue number three. You can find us on Instagram, you can find us on Facebook if you want to see what we're taking sub submissions on right now. And then personally, I do creepy horror and fantasy photography. I accept commissions. I do book cover stuff. I do custom art. I also do photo shoots, if somebody wants to do a photo shoot. And I write, which you can find all of my writing on my substack, which is linked in my Instagram account, which I'm sure Dan will probably put my Instagram below. All of my links for all of my things are attached to my Instagram, so If you check out my Instagram, you can see all my cool stuff. My writing is mostly folklore, fantasy, etc based. There's a lot of women, love women, a little bit of gore and violence, some sexual predator revenge in my substack, if you're into that kind of stuff. I have gotten some heated messages from men that I get to talk about on my Instagram soon. That was really exciting. [01:10:12] Speaker A: Oh, my God. [01:10:12] Speaker B: But yeah, check that out if you think that might be interesting. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Marissa's writing is really good. She's in my workshop and, like, the stuff she writes is so sexy and brutal and mythologically rich and dense. [01:10:25] Speaker B: My Angry man messages were on Devil's Errand. They did not like what I did to our lead character at the end. [01:10:34] Speaker A: He was a rapist. All right, all right. Not all men. [01:10:40] Speaker C: All right. [01:10:41] Speaker A: God damn it. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, Goblin Crypt is our sister magazine. You know, it is founded by Adrian Amiro, who is also a co host on this podcast. She could not be here due to some Narskite, you know, as always. Also, she's fighting vampires, so, you know. But yeah, yeah, do check that out. The first two issues are really good. We edited them. And there's art, there's. There's. There's culture, there's poetry based on Frankenstein based the Del Toro, Frankenstein based on the Ugly Stepsister, fairy tale, horror. Like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of incredible art there. So do check that out. It's badass. And finally, Erica. What you got going on, sis? [01:11:27] Speaker C: I write occasionally for other people, mostly for myself. You can find my poetry over on Monstrum Exemplum on Instagram. I also post my cats, sometimes the fat one you keep seeing on my lap especially. You can also find them on Instagram @Doublechunk Oreos. That's all I've got going on, really. I'm working on some personal stuff for a larger collection of poetry, and a good chunk of that is being posted on Instagram as it's getting. [01:11:54] Speaker A: That's so exciting. I'm so glad to hear that. Cool. [01:11:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:58] Speaker A: Fucking great. [01:11:59] Speaker C: It was very inspiring during Poetry Month. So that kick started a lot of writing. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Cool. And of course, I am King Loki. That's old Norse for Daniel Sokoloff, the name under which I publish my work. Yeah, you can find my books of poetry and my Demonland novels over on, you know, demonlandbooks.com. just check out Death Wish Poetry magazine and more episodes of the this podcast though, because that makes me happy. And also we have some incredible fucking wonderful writers. We've published. Everyone here has been published in there, actually, you know, they are on this podcast because they are talented and fucking great. So it's no surprise that I was like, well, gotta publish this. Yeah. So, yeah, that's it. As always, times are hard out there. It's stressful and upsetting. Do what you can. Write poetry, make art, love your demons. And remember, community is everything. And, well, we do love you very much. So, you know. Ave Saitanas. [01:13:13] Speaker C: Sa. [01:13:39] Speaker D: Sam.